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Author Topic: Captain Atom Vol. 2, The Hybrid, & Other Series That Never Happened...
Michael Bise
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posted July 18, 2002 02:46 PM

I was just re-reading ARMAGEDDON: THE ALIEN AGENDA this past weekend, and at the end of issue #4, they announced the "coming soon!" second volume of the CAPTAIN ATOM series. Well, of course, this never happened.

What happened in 1992? Both the HYBRID series and the NIGHTWING series (with pencils by Art Thibert) never came to be then, despite the announcements and publicity in NEW TITANS.

Aside from the DC "Implosion" of 1978, what are other big eras where series were announced and never happened? I also remember art from Kein McGuire in 1992 showing his line-up from future issues of TEAM TITANS (many different characters), but he left the title with issue #3.



Starsky_Hutch76
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posted July 18, 2002 03:10 PM

There was supposed to be a HELIX spin-off from INFINITY INC. that never happened.



Michael Bise
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posted July 18, 2002 03:26 PM

Forgot about that one!

Of course, there's Joe Kubert's THE REDEEMER from 1983.

And the early nineties TITANS graphic novel by Wolfman/Perez... And the Roy Thomas/Jerry Ordway SPECTRE graphic novel.

Thank God that trashy SHAZAM! series by Roy Thomas never came to be.... whoosh!



superboymddjr
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posted July 18, 2002 03:30 PM

The TITANS novel called "GAMES" is what I really want to see in print !!!!

VIXEN, THE DESERTER, HARLEQUIN by Bob Rozakis, and few others never materialized, so much chagrin to DC Implosions.



datalore
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posted July 18, 2002 03:32 PM

We were supposed to get many a spin-off mini or one-shot on various Suicide Squad members (or that's what they said in the last few letters pages of the John Ostrander run)... I know there was supposed to have been a NIGHTSHADE mini here and there before the SUICIDE SQUAD ended...

We also were promised specials of the SECRET ORIGINS (there is a John Ostrander/Tom Mandrake story sitting in an archive somewhere, I hope....as well as a few more Golden Age origins from Roy Thomas...)

Mark Millar was supposed to have given us a SECRET SOCIETY OF SUPER-VILLAINS mini (believe it or not, PRESTIGE FORMAT, not so much on the SSOSV as we saw, but on villainy in the DCU in general...)

We were suppose to have gotten a 15th issue of STARS & S.T.R.I.P.E. (the plot for #15 was put into #14, and we lost an adventure of the two Star-Spangled Kids because of it...)



Michael Bise
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posted July 18, 2002 03:44 PM

Wonder if this stuff would have been cool, or crap (like ARMAGEDDON: THE ALIEN AGENDA)....



Xanadude
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posted July 18, 2002 04:40 PM

Michael -

I have five or six issues of the Amazing Heroes Preview Specials - the amount of stuff that DC announced and never published in the late 80s and early 90s was kinda staggering, as well as series that went in radically different directions than planned.

For example - Neal Pozner's AQUAMAN II mini-series sounded GREAT, but never appeared, as did the female FLASH series that was supposed to come out after Crisis - no superspeed, but light manipulation, like in the Tangent book.

When I get home tonight I'll post some more.



casselmm47
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posted July 18, 2002 04:51 PM

No mention yet of the BLUE & GOLD/BLUE BEETLE/BOOSTER GOLD mini-series? That one's been promised forever (FKAJL notwithstanding...)

THE MAN NAMED NEVERWHERE, a MARTIAN MANHUNTER backup series, a STRANGE ADVENTURES revival, DEMAND CLASSICS, and WESTERN CLASSICS were also lost in the DC Implosion.



Gilligan!!
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posted July 18, 2002 05:24 PM

In the mid-'80s, Wolfman and Perez were planning on creating a new TITANS WEST spin-off, but it never came to be. At Donna Troy's wedding, Golden Eagle and Flamebird were shown suggesting a new Titans West and were trying to recruit old members.

Another Titans West revival (TITANS "L.A.") was supposed to happen about a year or two ago, by Geoff Johns and Ben Raab. It was meant to be spun-off from the BEAST BOY mini-series Johns had done, and the SECRET FILES story he and Raab did together. But since the regular TITANS book wasn't selling enough, DC figured that the spin-off wouldn't do any better. I still think, though, that the TITANS L.A. book would've done really well, and would probably outlive the ongoing TITANS that we have now.



JericHO
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posted July 18, 2002 05:37 PM

Although not a DC series, Colleen Doran was supposed to draw a second FALLEN ANGELS mini-series circa 1989. She even illustrated the character bios for the 1989 update to the HANDBOOK TO THE MARVEL UNIVERSE.

As a teenager at the time, I really enjoyed the original 1987 mini (and THE NEW MUTANTS) and was looking forward to the follow-up.

BTW, I remember the Amazing Heroes Preview Specials, too. The anticipation they created for me ... The immediate gratification of the Internet has taken away some of the "fun" of comics.



JericHO
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posted July 18, 2002 05:50 PM

Gilligan,

The mid-80s TITANS WEST was actually aborted when Perez returned to the series in 1988. In 1988 (circa Feb/March), Amazing Heroes interviewed Marv Wolfman and he provided details of the team. DC, which was still behind the Titans (unlike now), was basically pushing for the spin-off.

Marv's plan was to have Cyborg move to San Francisco (following his girlfriend, Dr. Sarah Charles) and lead the new team. Red Star and Chris King (from Dial H) were also slated to be members. Marv went as far as to lay the foundation for the book: Dr. Charles accepted a position at S.T.A.R. in San Francisco and both Red Star (issues #48-49) and Chris King returned (issues #46-47).

Perez, however, was a fan of Cyborg and wanted him to remain a member of the East coast team. IIRC, this fact, coupled with the general desire to the get the main book "back on track", killed any plans for a Titans West.



Dave Cormier
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posted July 18, 2002 06:45 PM

Greg Rucka was supposed to write a Question backup strip in DETECTIVE, but left the book. That sucks because the Question's one of my all time favorites and I'd love to see him in action again!

The Demon strip in ACTION COMICS WEEKLY ended on a cliffhanger, and wasn't finished (a half assed explanation did appear in the beginning of his ongoing some years later).

DC talked about doing an ongoing PARALLAX series at one point.



Xanadude
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posted July 18, 2002 07:31 PM

From the 1986 Amazing Heroes Previw Special:

"A last minute entry into the Preview Special, The Flash is shrouded in mystery. Created by Len Wein and Marv Wolfman, who at this point are scheduled to co-write the series, The Flash is reported to bear absolutely no similarities to the long time DC star who met his end in Crisis. Editor Alan Gold assured AH that this new character won't even be a super-speedster, but will instead by able to manipulate various forms of energy -- light, sound, and so forth -- in order to defeat his foes.

In his secret identity of MacKenzie Ryan, the Flash will be a technician at STAR Labs in Metropolis, working side-by-side with Jeanette Klyburn. Says Gold, "MacKenzie is more than just friendly with Jeanette. Whether or not they're lovers is still open for debate at this point, but he's definitely the only non-work interest in her life. Mac is also a single parent, with a daughter somewhere between the ages of 8 and 12.

The only other thing I can say right now is that there will be a new, major DC villain in the first issue. He has no name as of yet, but his origin and the Flash's origin will be inextricably connected."

The article goes on to say that no artist was yet chosen, but Chuck Patton was a likely front runner.

Wanna hear more? Tell me and I'll type some more in this thread --- like the '86 METAL MEN series, AQUAMAN's second mini, and more.

And two aborted series, THE REDEEMER and ZERO MAN, were covered in the Obscure DC Characters Thread. Check it out.



TyphoidDave
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posted July 18, 2002 09:36 PM

Len Wein's GREEN LANTERN in 1986 was supposed to have spun off a new character, The Image. They even gave the poor fellow who was supposed to be The Image a nasty accident, which I guess was intended to give him his powers.

Ostrander's SUICIDE SQUAD ended with the promise of a mini-series, which never evolved.



bluedevil2002
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posted July 18, 2002 10:53 PM

Originally posted by Dave Cormier:


Greg Rucka was supposed to write a Question backup strip in DETECTIVE, but left the book. That sucks because the Question's one of my all time favorites and I'd love to see him in action again!

Just because Rucka left DETECTIVE doesn't mean he won't be writing the Question backup. I believe it's still in the works.



Xanadude
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posted July 19, 2002 12:20 PM

Here's a couple more interesting tidbits from the 1985 and 1986 Amazing Hereoes Previews:

1) The JLofA, after #250, was supposed to include any and all heroes in the DCU, with Batman as the leader. Specific characters mentioned were Booster Gold and Blue Devil. Basically, the editors said that the recent lineup change (Remember JLDetroit?) didnt significantly effect sales in either direction. Also, the "A" in JLA was going to be minimalized. It seems this idea morphed into the restarted JL title, but without Vixen, Vibe, Gypsy, and Steel, who were still supposed to be the core team with The Martian Manhunter, Elongated Man, and Zatanna.

2) WORLD’S FINEST was to become a team up book featuring different characters each issue. Instead, it got canceled outright.

Next up: The weirdness of AMBUSH BUG II (some of the ideas for this are REALLY weird), AQUAMAN II, and maybe a little somethin’ else.



matlock
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posted July 19, 2002 12:55 PM

The LEGIONNAIRES title was originally slated to retell the early days of the group within the existing continuity of the time, ie. inserting Valor and Laurel Gand into stories that had featured Superboy and Supergirl. There was even a entry in the WHO’S WHO loose leaf edition using this concept. Instead, we got the SW6 clone Legion, and the somewhat bizarre situation of the two Legions running around at the same time, until Zero Hour made the whole mess go away.



Dave Cormier
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posted July 19, 2002 01:35 PM

Originally posted by bluedevil2002:


Just because Rucka left DETECTIVE doesn't mean he won't be writing the Question backup. I believe it's still in the works.

Have a hard time believing that this will ever get done, but if it does I'll be on it like white on rice!

I'd also heard that Denny O'Neil was tinkering with a QUESTION novel, anyone know anything about this?

And I really want to hear more about that second Ponzer AQUAMAN mini series! The first one is very underrated, and I really think DC should've stuck with that Aquaman costume!



Kamandi2
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posted July 19, 2002 01:44 PM

Another was the Len Wein/Ross Andru PANDORA PANN ongoing series. It was supposed to start as a 16-page bonus book thing in an issue of SAGA OF THE SWAMP THING with the ongoing series starting the next month. SWAMP THING was even solicited featuring it but the contents changed and the series never happened.

It was a 'Tomb Raider' type series about a woman named Pandora Pann who accidentally found Pandora's Box and once again freed all the evils. Each issue would be her tracking them down.



Carbon Freeze
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posted July 19, 2002 01:59 PM

Byrne was working on a new CAPTAIN MARVEL/SHAZAM series for a long time before he gave it up and Jerry Ordway stepped in.



Hack
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posted July 19, 2002 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Dave Cormier:


Greg Rucka was supposed to write a Question backup strip in DETECTIVE, but left the book. That sucks because the Question's one of my all time favorites and I'd love to see him in action again!

If memory serves, Rucka was originally going to write a QUESTION/HUNTRESS mini and in a recent interview said that DC was not interested; he suspected that they simply don't know what to do with the character because he's costume-less. That DC wouldn't be interested in any Rucka project is beyond me...

And as far as I've heard, the QUESTION/HUNTRESS storyline will still appear in the back of 'TEC. My fingers and a couple toes are crossed; BATMAN/HUNTRESS: CRY FOR BLOOD will long remain one of my all-time favorite reads (although I wasn't crazy about the conclusion).



?
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posted July 19, 2002 06:44 PM

There's also the aborted FIRESTORM graphic novel, which was to be called "Corona". Art was to be by Pat Broderick.

And the CAPTAIN ATOM graphic novel. Art was to be by Pat Broderick.

What is it with Pat and cancelled graphic novels about atomic-age heroes?



Michael Bise
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posted July 19, 2002 07:50 PM

And, then of course, there's John Byrne's FREAKS...



FreedomFighter
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posted July 19, 2002 10:18 PM

Keep the previews stuff coming guys. I'm totally diggin' this thread.

I hope one of these days DC publishes a compendium of stories that The Implosion tossed into the filing cabinets instead of into print.

Don't get me started. Maybe I'll bump an old thread of mine, if its still around here.



N3
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posted July 19, 2002 10:25 PM

There was supposed to be ongoing DHAMPHIRE and BROTHER POWER series as well as a LOBO mini involving a biker death race.



Koppy McFad
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posted July 20, 2002 02:30 AM

DC was originally planning to re-launch several of the !mpact titles after THE CRUCIBLE mini-series.

However someone up there changed his mind and they dropped !mpact completely, even before the license from Archie Comics had lapsed.



REKLEN
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posted July 20, 2002 02:42 AM

What about the much hyped:

VALDA THE IRON MAIDEN, with art by Todd McFarlane,

Or the ARAK trade paperbacks?

DC DOUBLE COMICS with Superboy and Supergirl.



David
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posted July 20, 2002 03:19 AM

There was supposed to be a Jim Sherman drawn Adam Strange backup in STAR HUNTERS that was killed by the Implosion. Anybody know if one of more of those got published in some other book?



bigdaddycaz
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posted July 20, 2002 04:03 AM

Roy Thomas was supposed to do a SHAZAM! series in the late 80s, long before Jerry Ordway's. It even had a preview in ACTION COMICS WEEKLY.



Koppy McFad
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posted July 20, 2002 04:29 AM

One story of the Sherman-drawn Adam Strange later appeared in WORLD'S FINEST when it became a dollar book.



Michael Bise
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posted July 20, 2002 08:17 AM

I wonder if DC has any of these pages still?



Hack
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posted July 20, 2002 03:34 PM

Originally posted by Michael Bise:


And, then of course, there's John Byrne's FREAKS...

Now THERE'S a good memory for ya! Did you know DC even wasted a B&W "poster" (roughly 24"x12") on these geeks in a "poster book" released post-CRISIS and HISTORY OF THE DCU? I can't recall what it was called and it wasn't actually a book because all pics were unbound, but I think it may have been called HISTORY OF THE DCU something-or-other and included a Sienkiewicz-drawn holder that was pretty much the only decent work in the entire project. IMO it was very disappointing; and I had so looked forward to it that I picked up TWO copies upon its release! Could've done without both...

Anyway, great memory, Michael!



Hack
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posted July 20, 2002 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Hack:


...and I had so looked forward to it that I picked up TWO copies upon its release! Coulda done without both...

And near 20 years later they're still taking up valuable space somewhere in my closet!



Michael Bise
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posted July 20, 2002 05:48 PM

Originally posted by Hack:


Now THERE'S a good memory for ya! Did you know DC even wasted a B&W "poster" (roughly 24"x12") on these geeks in a "poster book" released post-CRISIS and HISTORY OF THE DCU? I can't recall what it was called and it wasn't actually a book because all pics were unbound, but I think it may have been called HISTORY OF THE DCU something-or-other and included a Sienkiewicz-drawn holder that was pretty much the only decent work in the entire project. IMO it was very disappointing; and I had so looked forward to it that I picked up TWO copies upon its release! Coulda done without both...
Anyway, great memory, Michael!


I recall it was in the HISTORY OF THE DCU deluxe edition (which I've never seen). It was mentioned in one of those DC text pages of the time as an "upcoming monthly from John Byrne!".



N3
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posted July 20, 2002 07:39 PM

1. Mike Grell was supposedly working on a prestige format mini called SWAMP ANGEL.

2. When John Byrne was writing WONDER WOMAN there was a WONDER GIRL mini that was in the works.

3. Steve Englehart is said to have done a MAD HATTER mini series that never got published.

4. Steve Grant was working on a monthly called SALVO that was decribed as the Punisher meets Desi and Lucy. It never saw the light of day.



Michael Bise
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posted July 20, 2002 07:48 PM

I even think they showed part of that Steven Grant thing in Wizard, right?



Michael Bise
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posted July 20, 2002 09:51 PM

WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Remember the Lords of Chaos/Order battle that was mentioned in the WHO'S WHO 1988 UPDATES?????? Obviously a mega-crossover that never happened...



N3
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posted July 21, 2002 05:04 PM

I never saw SALVO in Wizard, but it's entirely possible.

There was also supposed to be a SPACE RANGER mini or ongoing by Michael Freidman that never saw the light of day.



Triplicate Boy
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posted July 21, 2002 11:23 PM

Can't believe no one mentioned the grand daddy of all aborted crossovers, the oft-mentioned CRISIS ON CAPTIVE EARTH.



Spangles
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posted July 22, 2002 02:41 AM

Originally posted by Hack:


Now THERE'S a good memory for ya! Did you know DC even wasted a B&W "poster" (roughly 24"x12") on these geeks in a "poster book" released post-CRISIS and HISTORY OF THE DCU? I can't recall what it was called and it wasn't actually a book because all pics were unbound, but I think it may have been called HISTORY OF THE DCU something-or-other and included a Sienkiewicz-drawn holder that was pretty much the only decent work in the entire project. IMO it was very disappointing; and I had so looked forward to it that I picked up TWO copies upon its release! Coulda done without both...
Anyway, great memory, Michael!


You're thinking of the HISTORY OF THE DC UNIVERSE PORTFOLIO, and oversized set of prints which sported the excellent Sienkiewicz cover (which was originally used on the hardcover's slipcase.)

At first I didn't remember what you were talking about, because I was remembering the wasted 'ad' print by Byrne was for an OUTSIDERS revival (in name only.)



Spangles
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posted July 22, 2002 02:47 AM

Oh, and Michael;

regarding the Lords of Chaos and Order:

Wow, did they EVER drop the ball on that!

That story had been worked into SOOOOO many titles and characters for YEARS in the 1980s, building up to....absolutely nothing. Cuz it just fizzled out and was abandoned. Sheesh.

Among some of the many books it was running through:

PHANTOM STRANGER mini
AMETHYST
POWER GIRL mini
JL EUROPE
HAWK & DOVE
off the top of my head!



Mikishawm
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posted July 22, 2002 05:05 AM

And here's a link to some info on untold AQUAMAN stories:

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/bobro/index.htm

Hellst0ne
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posted July 22, 2002 05:24 AM

In the early 90s, DC promised us a SPACE RANGER mini-series that I looked forward too.

And Ostrander's KALIBAN definitely sounded interesting.

How about the "Minutemen" spinoff from WATCHMEN? Was it ever slated, or was there just informal talk about it?

/ola



Michael Bise
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posted July 22, 2002 05:29 AM

Yea, Spangles I was excited to read about that Lords of Chaos and Order thing back then, only to never see it materialize...



boy from earth-2
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posted July 22, 2002 04:59 PM

There was supposed to be a Vertigo BOOKS OF FAERIE series, spinning off from BOOKS OF MAGIC and from the various mini-series. Someone posted about this on the Vertigo Other Topics board -- DC dragged its feet, the artist lost interest, etc...



darkowl
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posted July 22, 2002 05:57 PM

Anyone remember the LORDS OF THE ULTRA-REALM maxi-series? I know there was supposed to be a follow-up to it but I can't recall if it ever came out.



JLAJRC
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posted July 22, 2002 06:23 PM

I believe there was supposed to be a series called MAGOG or something based on the KINGDOM mini-series.

The Ultramarines were introduced in a early JLA story (sort of an updated Global Guardians) I thought they had plans for. They never returned.

Wasn't there supposed to be a SENTINELS OF MAGIC series based on their magic characters? They show up once in awhile but otherwise nothing else.

What about the Blue Devil? They brought him back in Days of Judgement and killed the Enchantress. That was quickly undone in a JLA mini a year or so ago.

SONIC DISRUPTORS was never finished.

Are they ever planning on doing ANYTHING with their Planet DC characters they introduced in their annuals a couple of years ago. The only one I've seen since was that chick in the JSA ANNUAL.

I don't know the story but wasn't their supposed to be a SWORD OF THE ATOM series? I know they did a couple specials and mini's but thats about it.

Zauriel had a mini but he never got an actual series.

If the L.A.W. and last HAWK & DOVE mini weren't so bad I'm sure they would do something with them.

I'm sure there's tons more that you guys know about.



JericHO
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posted July 22, 2002 06:43 PM

Originally posted by darkowl:


Anyone remember the LORDS OF THE ULTRA-REALM maxi-series? I know there was supposed to be a follow-up to it but I can't recall if it ever came out.

IIRC, there was a LORDS one-shot special published in 1987/88. I remember picking-up the first issue of the mini. It reminded me of a testosterone version of Amethyst (a great character who's been missing too long!).



darkowl
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posted July 22, 2002 07:08 PM

I don't remember if I purchased that or not, I was stationed in Italy at the time so I might have missed it in my orders.

I really liked the maxi-series, I thought it was pretty different for those times.



Xanadude
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posted July 22, 2002 07:10 PM

Before BLUE DEVIL was cancelled, there were plans to take him into a more mystical direction - kind of a non-adult version of Swamp Thing.

CRISIS ON CAPTIVE EARTH was the early working title for LEGENDS. Apparently they were going to keep the summer crossovers titled with "Crisis" in the title. (there was a thread about that a while back, actually, where we all named the subsequent crossover with Crisis in the title...)

Tomorrow, for Michael Bise......the WONDER WOMAN that wasn't, OR, what would've happened if we hadn't seen Diana shanghaied into space, working at Taco Whiz, and had Mike Deodato draw her....



Xanadude
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posted July 22, 2002 07:14 PM

And back to Michael's original post, Kevin Maguire's TEAM TITANS morphed into Strikeback! the independent creator owned series he put out through Bravura and Image. I have an article in which in talks about the TEAM TITANS comic, and he mentioned ALL of the characters that eventually appeared in Strikeback!.



Michael Bise
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posted July 22, 2002 07:49 PM

Yeah, CRISIS OF THE SOUL was gonna be Wolfman's follow-up to CRISIS, I think I remember.



MLLASH
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posted July 23, 2002 12:06 AM

I -LOVED- Nancy Collins' DHAMPIRE prestige one-shot. That was back in my whole ‘Interview With The Vampire/Lestat/Queen of the Damned’ phase.

Anybody have any info on why the Vertigo series never came about???



DarqueGuy
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posted July 23, 2002 01:02 AM

Nobody's mentioned it yet, but Keith Giffen was going to do a CREEPER series (can't remember off the top of my head if it was going to be a mini or an ongoing) right around the time Jack Ryder started showing up in the JLI books.



supermanred2001
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posted July 23, 2002 01:26 AM

After the Byrne reboot, circa 1987, SUPERMAN was supposed to get a 3-D graphic novel one shot introducing a new villain called Tantrum.

FIRESTORM was supposed to have gotten his own graphic novel.

A SUPERMAN ANNUAL or SPECIAL had the ads for it but never came out, sometime between 1987 and 1991. Something about an old girlfriend of Clark's during his travels?



Michael Bise
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posted July 23, 2002 07:08 AM

Oh, that was 1990, and it was by Chris Claremont and Michael Golden for ACTION COMICS! Ads for it and everything, and never released. That same year the Walt Simonson ANNUAL was solicited, but canceled, although it eventually got released as a SPECIAL in 1992.

Wonder what happened to the Claremont book...



Spangles
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posted July 23, 2002 08:41 AM

Originally posted by Hack:


Now THERE'S a good memory for ya! Did you know DC even wasted a B&W "poster" (roughly 24"x12") on these geeks in a "poster book" released post-CRISIS and HISTORY OF THE DCU? I can't recall what it was called and it wasn't actually a book because all pics were unbound, but I think it may have been called HISTORY OF THE DCU something-or-other and included a Sienkiewicz-drawn holder that was pretty much the only decent work in the entire project. IMO it was very disappointing; and I had so looked forward to it that I picked up TWO copies upon its release! Coulda done without both...
Anyway, great memory, Michael!


That comment about "the only decent artwork" had me scratching my head wondering if I had bought another portfolio....maybe the Bizarro Universe version. So I went a diggin'!

The HISTORY Portfolio includes such horrible art as:

George Perez' Wonder Woman
Jose' Luis Garcia Lopez' Jonah Hex
Dick Giordano's Batman
Curt Swan & Jery Ordway's Superman
Steve Lightle's Legion of Super Heroes
Joe Kubert's Sgt. Rock
Bissette & Totleben's Swamp Thing
Brian Bolland's "Arthurian era" (Demon, Viking Prince, Silent Knight, Shining Knight)

annnnnnnddd, two that stuck out like a sore thumb.

A truly horrible Keith Giffen Dr. Fate. (Yes, he's a visionary. Yes, he's a master artist. Yes, his style is unique. Yes, he is a chameleon. And in the late 1980s, he did some downright bad art; DR. FATE mini, LEGION circa # 306-314... his 'globule' period.)

John Byrne's FREAKS. In the midst of the great characters done (mostly) by artists most identified with them in their long and lush DC careers, we have this piece. A business man, a derelict, a super-vamp, a Jimi Hendrix rip-off and a pale skinny chick, the 'future' of DC, a series that would never see print. Nice touch.

Simonson wasn't available to do a Metal Men and Manhunter pic?

Anywho, this sorta also ties in with the earlier bit about the Lords of Chaos and Order:

DR. FATE!

I can't believe I forgot how integral that whole bit was! He was sort of "Ground Zero" for all of the other stuff going on, both in his Giffen illustrated 4 issue mini and in the ongoing when it came out.



Ancient John
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posted July 23, 2002 11:14 AM

All well and good, but isn't it better that most of these series never saw print? It they would have, they would probably have been cancelled within a year. There is nothing I hate more than reading a great build-up for nine issues, to have the whole thing cleared up in a ridicullous way that ruins the nine preceeding issues. All this inside the space of 22 pages because of lagging sales....



JericHO
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posted July 23, 2002 11:57 AM

I was always under the impression that Keith Giffen's CREEPER mini-series morphed into THE HECKLER. I didn't read THE HECKLER, but the two characters seemed similar.



Xanadude
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posted July 23, 2002 01:26 PM

Mikishawm beat me to the punch on AQUAMAN, so here's some of William Messner-Loebs unused WONDER WOMAN ideas (this is for you, Mr. Bise):

1) Diana was to get involved coaching Vanessa's softball team, leading to a murder-mystery involving the ghost of a Negro League baseball player.

2) Diana would be involved with the Meals on Wheels program, which DC actively participated (do they still?) in. The story would follow her route and the effect she had on normal everyday people.

3) Diana would eat a hot dog for the first time. Apparently this was a big deal - he goes into several paragraphs on how people assume that Diana is a vegetarian, but she's not, and our concept of meat and how it's cooked would be different from hers, etc etc etc. This was briefly touched on at one point, but he made a HUGE deal of it in the interview/article.

4) The Viking Commando would be showing up. No big details were given, but Mr M-L apparently liked the idea of throwing in someone with a totally different mythological background into the Greek mythology of Diana's world.

5) Several supporting characters from the Flash were supposed to show up - including Mason Tollbridge, or whatever his last name is.

6) Etta and Steve's wedding. Diana was to be a bride's maid/maid of honor - this would be her first exposure to the Western/Christian wedding ritual, and she would reflect on the similarities and differences in similar rituals she had witnessed or heard about on Themyscira.

But, it all got dumped in favor of space, Taco Whiz, and Artemis. Of course, looking at it now, it seems most of the stories were introspecitve pieces with little action (not counting the Viking Commando story, of course) so I can see why they weren't used - however, they would have made some nice stories, perhaps between multi-part epics, or in an annual or something.

NEXT UP: Ambush Bug opens a restaurant...



Michael Bise
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posted July 23, 2002 03:30 PM

Thanks, Ray.

I no longer make comments about Mr. Loebs' work on WONDER WOMAN (which I wasn't fond of) after hearing about his recent personal misfortune, but those little bits don't sound too enthralling to me.

I did, however, go out and buy TPBs of all of his WONDER WOMAN work (even though I have all of the issues), in hopes that some of the royalties make it to him & his wife.



The Time Trust
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posted July 23, 2002 07:52 PM

Originally posted by matlock:


The LEGIONNAIRES title was originally slated to retell the early days of the group within the existing continuity of the time, ie. inserting Valor and Laurel Gand into stories that had featured Superboy and Supergirl. There was even a entry in the WHO’S WHO loose leaf edition using this concept. Instead, we got the SW6 clone Legion, and the somewhat bizarre situation of the two Legions running around at the same time, until Zero Hour made the whole mess go away.

See, now THAT would have been cool (the retelling of the early days thing, not the SW6 clone thing -- *BARF*). Why didn't they give us that instead?!?

And why did they have to blow up the Moon and then the Earth?!? You KNEW the series would have to be cancelled soon afterwards after seeing that, didn't you?



N3
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posted July 23, 2002 08:07 PM

I read an interview with Nancy Collins where she said she was all set to do a DHAMPHIRE ongoing series when it got axed. She said there were a whole slew of Vertigo projects that got slashed/imploded because of some cut backs and DHAMPHIRE was one of them.



FreedomFighter
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posted July 24, 2002 12:02 AM

The latest issue of Alter Ego has a run down of some SHAZAM/CAPTAIN MARVEL series' stuff that never came to be.

A couple of pages on Roy Thomas that tries to the set the record straight. A page is also devoted to another CAPTAIN MARVEL series I had never heard of from Michael Eury (I don't know him). It looks like it might have been pretty good though.

Alter Ego #16 at your comic shop now.

Pretty cool Alex Ross Mary Marvel cover to boot!



Mikel Midnight
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posted July 27, 2002 12:42 PM

Anyway we can see a scan of Brian Bolland's "Arthurian era" (Demon, Viking Prince, Silent Knight, Shining Knight) piece?



Xanadude
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posted July 28, 2002 10:13 PM

Just a quick piece tonight (stop that juvenile snickering, Mr. Bise ) -

When the Superman books were rebooted, Brainiac was originally supposed to look like his pre-Crisis counterpart from the beginning. "Visually, he'll be the same, but conceptually he'll be different. He'll be linked to Superman. He will have Superman's knowledge and be part of his mind. This direct psychic link between the two of them will turn Braniac into a far more qualifying nightmare for Superman," said Marv Wolfman in the 1987 Amazing Heroes Preview.

Instead, we got Milton Fine, the mentalist, and a far more convoluted Brainiac history.



MLLASH
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posted July 29, 2002 12:02 AM

Originally posted by N3:


I read an interview with Nancy Collins where she said she was all set to do a DHAMPHIRE ongoing series when it got axed. She said there were a whole slew of Vertigo projects that got slashed/imploded because of some cut backs and DHAMPHIRE was one of them.

Well THAT sucks monkey butt! DHAMPHIRE was a *great* one-shot, and this is coming from someone who was NOT a fan of Vertigo stuff. I only bought the one-shot because it was vampire-related and the cover was wicked cool. I was sure glad I DID buy it and I remember being all excited about the ongoing. *sigh*

And I'm still waiting to find out more about AMBUSH BUG and his restaurant!



Morgan the Raider
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posted July 29, 2002 10:14 AM

There was supposed to be a FIRESTORM graphic novel in the mid 80's, which to the best of my knowledge never saw print anywhere else.



Xanadude
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posted July 29, 2002 08:18 PM

From the Amazing Heroes Preview Special 1986:

"How to succeed in business without really trying: early in his new mini-series, the Bug establishes his first big time secret headquarters - a restaurant. 'He does everything he can to make his new headquarters a secret,' says Robert Loren Fleming, 'and the fact that it's a restaurant is only a cover to throw off villains. It's out on the docks, in a real seedy area of the harbor where there are muggers and cutthroats and killers everywhere, because he does not want it to go. He even names it 'Hamster Haven', and that's all he serves -hamsters on a stick, hamster au gratin, bacon cheesehamster, hamsters flambee, and so on - all purposely so there will be no clientele, because he wants a secret headquarters. So naturally, the hamsters catch on as the biggest craze since sushi, and people are lined up around the block. They're being mugged and murdered, they don't care - they're still coming. Of course, this is going to cause all kinds of problems for him, because he has to decide whether to franchise or not. Corporations are trying to buy him out. He even has to start hiring help, though Cheeks will be taking the phone reservations.'"

Later in the article, Bob goes on to tell us that "there's always the upcoming battle with Banal, who is what Fleming describes as a 'triviakiller. He talks. A lot. About nothing. He's so boring that, depending on what subject he picks, he can put you to sleep, knock you down, kill you, whatever - mostly people throw money and jewels at him just to get rid of him.' 'We also have the Legion of Substitute Heroes now.' says Fleming. 'Paul Levitz said essentially "take em and go away from me." What we've got in mind right now is for a bunch of them to take on the Uh-Oh Squad. We want to do one of those old JLA-JSA type covers showing the Uh-Oh Squad and the Legion running full-tilt at one another, with Ambush Bug in the middle with maybe a whistle.'"



Xanadude
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posted July 29, 2002 08:25 PM

And, oh yeah, if it's not apparent, the above was supposed to have been the SON OF AMBUSH BUG mini-series.



MLLASH
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posted July 30, 2002 12:35 AM

O-M-G!!!!!

Though I loved the SON OF AMBUSH BUG that *did* see print, I think Flem's script is the perfect vehicle to bring back AMBUSH BUG!!!



Xanadude
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posted July 30, 2002 07:54 PM

I LOVED Ambush Bug as well, but the SON OF series really blew. It seemed like every bit of enthusiasm the creators had for the characters just went out the door.....



erdmann
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posted August 01, 2002 02:38 AM

The latest Wizard actually has an article that fits this thread. It focuses on things like ‘Swamp Thing meets Jesus’ and the 1940 Superman story in which Lois learns the truth and even includes (unfortunately small) pix of a couple pages of that story (seems the entire thing still exists and was discovered by Mark Waid).

It also mentions Geoff Johns proposal for FIRESTORM, Moore's TWILIGHT OF THE SUPER-HEROES, Shooter's Korvac Saga 2, the original JLA/AVENGERS crossover, foiled plans for the AUTHORITY, and a PREACHER follow up.



erdmann
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posted August 01, 2002 01:11 PM

In 1971, DC toyed with the idea of launching a line of glossy magazines. Among them were three Kirby titles IN THE DAYS OF THE MOB, TRUE DIVORCE CASES, and a romance comic aimed at black readers. Only one issue of MOB was published. For more information on the book, check out: http://twomorrows.com/kirby/articles/16mob.html

Also under consideration was a magazine-format HOUSE OF MYSTERY and a pulp-style BATMAN.

And speaking of Kirby, he once worked on a Prisoner comic for Marvel after Steve Englehart and Gil Kane were bounced from the project. See: http://twomorrows.com/kirby/articles/11prisoner.html

Oh, and while we're working the other side of the tracks, does anyone remember Englehart's three attempts to launch a Silver Surfer comic? Supposedly Stan Lee nixed the first one (back in the days when Englehart was penning The Avengers). The second try got as far as a completed first issue with art by John Buscema (which finally saw print in an issue of Marvel Fanfare). His third try actually succeeded.

And finally, there is Roy Thomas. Does anyone else remember when he announced a Thor spinoff? I think it was supposed to be set in the American west before the arrival of Europeans.



bwboy
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posted August 01, 2002 03:10 PM

I can't believe no one has mentioned the many-times promised HUNTRESS mini-series - virtually every letter column in WONDER WOMAN would have an 'update' from editor Alan Gold about the status. . . even information about who would be writing and drawing it and what the general plot was. Then a month later she was killed by a wall in CRISIS #12. But for years, that mini-series was promised.



Rusty Shackleford
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posted August 01, 2002 03:31 PM

New Warriors II.

No, I don't mean the Jay Faerber version. There was supposed to be a spin off NW series to run with the original one featuring the characters who popped up in the ‘Time and Time Again’ story. Didn't happen because sales for NW dropped suddenly. That was a spin-off crazy time for comics anyhow.

Originally posted by MLLASH:


Well THAT sucks monkey butt! DHAMPHIRE was a *great* one-shot, and this is coming from someone who was NOT a fan of Vertigo stuff. I only bought the 1-shot because it was vampire-related and the cover was wicked cool. I was sure glad I DID buy it and I remember being all excited about the ongoing. *sigh*

Agreed, Lash. I picked up DHAMPHIRE at a con a few years ago, just on a whim. Was going through the stack when the cover caught my girlfriend's eye. First comic I was able to get her to read.



Xanadude
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posted August 01, 2002 03:43 PM

I remember in the first issue of the HUNTRESS ongoing series, the lettercolumn mentioned some of the ideas for the Pre-Crisis HUNTRESS mini-series, including Helena Wayne getting kidnapped by gypsies.



Avenger
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posted August 01, 2002 04:19 PM

There was the proposed CRISIS NINE by Warren Ellis which would have been a JLA/Authority crossover. DC sat on it too long and Ellis moved on to other things. He eventually posted the shortened proposal to his e-mail subscribers. It's a shame this story will never see print (especially the way he described it).

He also proposed a major DC crossover in which the timeline gets split and all the heroes are propelled into a utopian timeline in which they have secured world freedom and peace. They then discover the "true" timeline which is a living hell due to the loss of its heroes. The DC heroes travel back in time to set things right, even knowing that they will have to give up their utopia. Ellis finally decided it wasn't worth the effort to do.



erdmann
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posted August 02, 2002 07:00 PM

This thread has sent me digging in the darkest recesses of long closed up closets in search of my long lost collection of Amazing Heroes. I'm still looking, but in the meantime, I've unearthed an old issue of YOUNG ALL-STARS with a tidbit on the letter page that fits here.

In an answer to a letter, Roy Thomas confirmed that there was supposed to be an on-going, monthly follow up to his SHAZAM!: THE NEW BEGINNING and the four-parter in ACTION COMICS WEEKLY. He said the first issue was in the process of being drawn by a "surprise" artist.

Ok, Alter Ego readers: Who was the artist? How much, if any, of the art was actually completed?

And now, the search continues....



erdmann
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posted August 04, 2002 12:45 AM

Hmmm. No takers on Roy the Boy's SHAZAM? Maybe Walt, Lon, or Marvelozzo over at the Cap boards will know.

Anyway, I found my AH collection. Man, what a great magazine. And so full of great (and probably not so great) stuff that never came to be.

Case in point: Issue 34, featuring a long cover story on one of the great lost comics projects - Joe Kubert's REDEEMER.

Peter Sanderson's article detailed the series' overall plot about a man destined to be reborn time and time again to, unknowingly, battle the schemes of "the Infernal One". It also details Kubert's career and his ideas about the future of comics (he foresaw more diversity and an increasing adult audience). It is accompanied by some great Kubert art from the first issue.

It was mentioned that "Redeemer" did not occur in the DC "multi-universe" and Kubert made some interesting comments about mixing "realistic" characters such as Sgt. Rock with the likes of Batman. I suspect he is NOT a fan of the current SUICIDE SQUAD.

(Off the topic for a moment: Sanderson lists other non-multiverse titles such as RONIN, CAMELOT 3000, ARAK, and THE WARLORD. Now, we know WARLORD is part of the post-Crisis DCU. Was ARAK ever officially made part of it?)

Many months later, in the 1995 Preview issue, it was announced that the series had been cut from 12 issues to 6 and that it would be published as soon as Kubert had it completed.

So, what the heck happened?



Spangles
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posted August 04, 2002 05:52 AM

Arak was made/maintained part of the 'regular' DC Universe, in roundabout fashion.

Windwalker (forget what his full name was) from Helix (that fought Infinity, Inc) was revealed to be a descendant of Arak's.

Of course there was the Valda appearance in A.S.S., but that was during Crisis, so it coulda been retconned out as 'alternative'. Don't have the issue handy to see if the historical figures were coming to WWII time after the merged Earths or not.



erdmann
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posted August 06, 2002 06:26 PM

From Amazing Heroes #39 (the 1984 Preview issue):

"Tentatively planned for 1984 is a DC COMICS PRESENTS ANNUAL featuring the Teen Titans, written and drawn by regular Titans creative team of Marv Wolfman, George Perez and Romeo Tanghal." Did Wolfman rework this story into the TITANS ANNUAL that featured the first and only appearance of the Vanguard?

And:
METAL MEN (four-issue mini-series)

"The Metal Men, DC's robotic heroes, will be returning in a mini-series in 1984, says their creator Robert Kanigher.

"The mini-series will actually be what Kanigher refers to as 'Metal Men - The Movie' and will involve a dual storyline in which the Metal Men try to attend the premiere of their own movie (the storyline of which will form part of the comic), but aren't allowed in.

"The series will be illustrated by Irv Novick and Kanigher will more or less ignore all the writers who have worked with the characters in the last decade, in favor of returning to his own interpretation."



Xanadude
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posted August 08, 2002 12:26 AM

When THE DARING NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERGIRL (commonly known as NONE OF THE ABOVE) was cancelled, a series featuring the adventures of Supergirl and Superboy (in separate adventures, of course - this IS pre-Crisis) was promised (along the lines of the classic Strange Tales, co-featuring two distinct features).

However, we WERE left with several cliffhangers in the SUPERGIRL series - like:

WHAT THE HELL WAS PHIL DECKER HIDING FROM SUPERGIRL THAT SHE COULDN'T FIND OUT?

Seriously -- she's freaking Supergirl. Her boyfriend is hiding a secret from her. Yet, she breaks up with him instead of trying to find out what the problem was.... he could be debt to the mob, or Intergang, or whatever.... and she never investigated... She just dumped him.

In the last issue of her series, Dick Malverne returned..... never to be referred to again. What up with that?

And did the pre-Crisis Kara ever get to meet with Power Girl, as promised? Nope..... or she did, but only in the Editor's mind.... (or in Fanfic)......



Mirthquake
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posted August 08, 2002 01:55 AM

Originally posted by Xanadude:


Before BLUE DEVIL was cancelled, there were plans to take him into a more mystical direction - kind of a non-adult version of Swamp Thing.

I'll confirm this one. Issue #31 of BLUE DEVIL was supposed to be the start of a whole new direction for the title. It was to have been still FUNNY, but a little darker. The major villian of the piece was Lord Opal from Mishkin and Cohn's AMETHYST title, tying it in with the big Order/Chaos War, evidently. The new artist? Well, he went on to pencil THE QUESTION instead...

And somewhere there is an issue's worth of art just collecting in Barb Kesel's basement...

(heavy sigh.)



Dr. Midnight 32
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posted August 08, 2002 06:55 AM

Sometimes I think I'm the keeper of the never made stories I'm about to list. Everytime there's a thread about stories like these, what I'm about to write are rarely mentioned by other fans. I'd like to think that each fan holds their knowledge of these untold tales so that they can be passed down to the new fans. They're the fanboy equivalent of verbal history.

- The unmade WILDCAT/CAPTAIN MARVEL team-up mini that had a one page preview in the DCU HEROES SECRET FILES AND ORIGINS. IIRC, it was to be written by Beau Smith, but I forget the artist at this time.

- When RESURRECTION MAN was cancelled, there was a lot of talk about a RM/FORGOTTEN HEROES mini that never materialized. And Mitch has been absent from the DCU ever since.

- In the back of Superman: The Complete History, there's a preview page of an unfinished graphic novel that was to be released soon after.

- Joe Casey in an old Wizard interview talked about his proposed SECRET SOCIETY OF SUPER_VILLAINS pitch to DC. It was going to portray a group of villains in the Elmore Leonard style.

- There's a thread over in the JSA board about what Len Wein would have done if the 90s JSA series had continued. Highlights: Jesse Quick and Kiku would have joined the JSA and the older members would have been phased out over time for the new heroes.

- DC's Tangent line was supposed to have had a summer crossover with the DCU if the event had been popular enough.

- Resurrection Man was supposed to have appeared occasionally in the current JSA series much like The Phantom Stranger did in the old JLofA book, but Goyer and Johns decided against it.

- The first arc of the new JSA series was to have linked Wesley Dodd's death to the Manhunter clones, but that was nixed.

- Originally, Hawkman's return was to have been a central point of a JLA/JSA crossover.

- Obscure Golden Age hero The King was to appear in the second year of JSA, as was Dr. Occult.

- In JSA, Goyer had some unnamed plans for Liberty Belle, but they were obviously never done.

- Also in JSA, there was supposed to be a current day story featuring the Ma Hunkle Red Tornado in a murder mystery in a nursing home before she was killed off-panel in YOUNG JUSTICE.

Here's a few bits I've heard mentioned, but didn't trust the sources too much.

- Frank Miller doing a Year Two Batman story with the intro of his version of Robin, whatever that meant.

- The Wildcat story in the 90s SHOWCASE that was condensed into the only chapter that appeared.

- A JLA/TITANS graphic novel by Perez that never showed up.

- A proposed QUESTION mini that was nixed after THE QUESTION RETURNS one-shot didn't do too well.



bwboy
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posted August 08, 2002 07:22 AM

Originally posted by Xanadude:


When THE DARING NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERGIRL (commonly known as NONE OF THE ABOVE) was cancelled, a series featuring the adventures of Supergirl and Superboy (in separate adventures, of course - this IS pre-Crisis) was promised (along the lines of the classic Strange Tales, co-featuring two distinct features).
However, we WERE left with several cliffhangers in the SUPERGIRL series - like:
WHAT THE HELL WAS PHIL DECKER HIDING FROM SUPERGIRL THAT SHE COULDN'T FIND OUT?
Seriously -- she's freaking Supergirl. Her boyfriend is hiding a secret from her. Yet, she breaks up with him instead of trying to find out what the problem was.... he could be debt to the mob, or Intergang, or whatever.... and she never investigated... She just dumped him.
In the last issue of her series, Dick Malverne returned..... never to be referred to again. What up with that?
And did the pre-Crisis Kara ever get to meet with Power Girl, as promised? Nope..... or she did, but only in the Editor's mind.... (or in Fanfic)......


Dude, I had posted something very similar to your post over at the ‘Other DC Universe Topics’ - I, too, have always been curious about these questions. Does anyone know if Paul Kupperburg reads this message board? As the writer of that SUPERGIRL series, he'd be the one with the answers!

erdmann
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posted August 08, 2002 11:17 AM

Originally posted by Dr. Midnight 32:


- The unmade WILDCAT/CAPTAIN MARVEL team-up mini that had a one page preview in the DCU HEROES SECRET FILES AND ORIGINS. IIRC, it was to be written by Beau Smith, but I forget the artist at this time.
- In the back of Superman: The Complete History, there's a preview page of an unfinished graphic novel that was to be released soon after.


I don't remember the WILDCAT/CAP story. Sounds like I need to dig out that copy of SECRET FILES.

I do remember, however, that page from the SUPERMAN graphic novel. I believe it was supposed to focus on the early stages of Clark's romance with Lois and was to feature art by Barry Windsor-Smith! I wonder if we'll ever see it.



Alaska_Vext
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posted August 08, 2002 02:38 PM

CRISIS ON CAPTIVE EARTH and CRISIS OF THE SOUL....

I knew someone else read the MEANWHILE... soon after Crisis was published... I am not crazy!! Well maybe a touch

I wish I knew of these follow-ups to the Crisis. I remember CRISIS ON CAPTIVE EARTH was retooled to make LEGENDS, but what of the CRISIS OF THE SOUL? Any info on either of these minis?

I remember waiting and waiting for them to be released when I was a kid...



The Mirrorball Man
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posted August 08, 2002 03:36 PM

And what about TRANSMETROPOLITAN's spinoffs, TRANSOCEANIC and TRANSCONTINENTAL? Ellis mentioned them once or twice and has apparently abandoned these projects.



fbalkin
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posted August 08, 2002 05:39 PM

...another late 80s/early 90s "announced" project that never 'happened' was a reunion of Len Wein and Berni Wrightson on SWAMP THING, a two-book prestige format series (allegedly) called SWAMP THING: DEJA VU.

I saw Bernie at San Diego Comic Con and asked him about it, and he said he and Len never quite got together on things.

Wonder why one of the DC editors or publishers started hawkin' this on a text page then?



Spangles
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posted August 11, 2002 09:33 AM

Originally posted by erdmann:


From Amazing Heroes #39 (the 1984 Preview issue):
"The mini-series will actually be what Kanigher refers to as 'Metal Men - The Movie' and will involve a dual storyline in which the Metal Men try to attend the premiere of their own movie (the storyline of which will form part of the comic), but aren't allowed in.
"The series will be illustrated by Irv Novick and Kanigher will more or less ignore all the writers who have worked with the characters in the last decade, in favor of returning to his own interpretation."


sigh

THIS they reject, but we got that lump-a-coal mini-series that screwed them up entirely!??!



Xanadude
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posted August 12, 2002 10:42 PM

Read this weeks' Lying in the Gutters column at comicbookresources.com for some interesting DC titles that never happened - apparently before going to form Image, the Tragic 7 went to DC with proposals for several of their books - and Rob's take on TEEN TITANS ultimately became Youngblood - check out the early Youngblood and you'll see direct analogues to the then-current Titans. This is kinda ironic because, as we know, when Alan Moore took over Youngblood, he based it on (tuh-duh) Marv and George's TITANS, with several direct analogues to the Titans of that time.



Food Eater Lad
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posted August 13, 2002 02:44 AM

In Fantastic Four, didn't they hint at a 'Galactus Returns' story? One that shows the universe needs him, and now that he is dead, we are all in great peril?



datalore
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posted August 13, 2002 08:49 AM

I think Jerry Ordway had planned a HUNTRESS mini (pre-Crisis), that was to guest-star Nightshade? (But, that got nixed as Huntress didn't survive Crisis... and, if memory serves, Jerry found out by getting the pages to ink, or was called by George when he got the pages to pencil...)

Sigh...

Or what of the weekly comics we were to get after Crisis, with Peacemaker (by Giffen), Captain Atom (pre-all silver look?)...

Not to mention some SECRET ORIGINS (Judomaster springs to mind...)



erdmann
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posted August 13, 2002 10:27 AM

For a little more on the Ordway HUNTRESS mini, check out this JSA thread (which was inspired by this one): http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/files/Forum18/HTML/009665.html

I forget which (Nightshade, perhaps?), but I seem to remember one of the Charlton strips was to be drawn by Paul Chadwick.



Xanadude
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posted August 13, 2002 10:56 PM

SECRET ORIGINS was supposed to feature, in one of it's first three "modern age" stories (the issues alternated between golden age and modern age origins before going to a larger format that featured both): Jericho was to be featured right after Firestorm. It never appeared.

Amethyst was supposed to go down a much darker path under Giffen... instead it got cancelled.... until Keith brought her back in FATE. And, although I like some of Keith's ideas, darkening Amethyst was NOT a good idea.



Xanadude
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posted August 14, 2002 03:23 PM

Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew actually started as Super Squirrel and the Justa Lotta Animals, but, because the characters would not be able to be marketed or shopped to Saturday animation (since they were, in essence, spin-off or subsidiary characters of Superman, etc), they were scrapped and the Zoo Crew was created.

Originally, the Zoo Crew were to be called either the Critter Commandos (until someone pointed out that DC was currently publishing the Creature Commandos) or Critters, Incorporated (years before Roy's Infinity, Inc. -- he does like to recycle ideas, doesn't he?).

Also the Crew would not have Pig Iron in it (he was slated to be a villain), but have two other members: Big Cheese, the Enor-Mouse, and Whirli-Bird.

Big Cheese eventually became Little Cheese and joined in the last few issues, while Whirli-Bird never appeared at all.



VaughnN
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posted August 15, 2002 04:57 AM

How about THE KINGDOM, the ongoing series by Mark Waid and Gene Ha? It sounded so promising but it just faded away. I think the 5th week event took its place, or were they both supposed to be published?

I remember talk of Steve Englehart returning to BATMAN in the mid 80's. IIRC, he and Denny O'Neil didn't agree over the direction and so it never got off the ground.

Back to the early 80's now. There was a proposed crossover between BRAVE & BOLD, DC COMICS PRESENTS, and WORLD'S FINEST, all featuring the Titans. I think it was all going to be by Wolfman and Perez and it was going to introduce a new, female Wildcat (which has been discussed on another thread, but I can't remember where, sorry). It was abandoned because TPTB didn't want to overexpose the Titans. Ah, what scruples they had back then.

This from Jones & Jacob's The Comic Book Heroes. After the Fouth World titles got canned, Jack Kirby was interested in Captain Marvel. I think DC had the rights then, but had not done anything with him yet. Jack just wanted to edit it, but wouldn't an all Kirby SHAZAM have been pretty cool?

Not strictly a comic series, but an old Meanwhile column mentioned Terry Gilliam doing a film version of WATCHMEN. A dubious prospect perhaps. But if anyone has seen Brazil, Gilliam does skewed realities pretty well. It would have at least looked good.



TyphoidDave
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posted August 15, 2002 05:06 AM

Everyone knows the story of how Nightcrawler was slated for the Legion of Super-Heroes, I think.

I understand that the pages to the originally planned JLA VS. AVENGERS, drawn by Perez, are now owned by Rob Liefeld. Anyone know the plot?



BlackCondorRK
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posted August 15, 2002 10:36 AM

I read the BLASTERS SPECIAL few days ago. It was a spin-off one-shot from the Invasion! crossover.

In the editorial column they mentioned the release of a DCU Guide to Extraterristals.

Am I right in thinking this never came out?



FreedomFighter
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posted August 15, 2002 11:52 AM

Originally posted by erdmann:


Only one issue of MOB was published. For more information on the book, check out: http://twomorrows.com/kirby/articles/16mob.html

I was just going through (organizing the mess that is) my old comics and found that I have this magazine. My brother must've bought it before I started collecting. Very cool.



datalore
Member
posted August 15, 2002 12:16 PM

Remember when DC put a few pages of the Who's Who in the backs of Annuals?

We were suppose to get a CHECKMATE! ANNUAL with all Who's Who pages (And, as hard as it was to figure these folks out sometimes, THAT would have been GREAT!)



mmkk
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posted August 15, 2002 07:13 PM

I remember reading in the AMAZING WORLD OF DC COMICS #14 (I believe it was in there) that Steve Englehart was supposed to write a full length 80 page story featuring every member of the Batman Family. Since this was announced in 1977, I would believe that the story would have featured Batman, Robin, Batgirl, Man-Bat, Batwoman, Bat-Girl, the Earth-2 Batman, Robin, and possibly the Huntress. Those were the active members of the Batman Family in 1977.

Remember FIVE STAR SUPER-HERO SPECTACULAR, the one shot that came out in 1977? I remember reading that a follow up was supposed to happen but never did. I also remember reading somewhere that there was supposed to be a new Dollar comic back then called DC SUPER HERO SPECTACULAR (something along those lines) that was supposed to have been an anthology book. It never happened though.

Remember when Jim Starlin wrote BATMAN and Jason Todd was killed. I read an interview with him and he said that he had started to write a Two-Face story that was supposed to be very grisly but since he got fired from BATMAN it was never completed.

Ever wonder how many stories are sitting in the file cabinets in DC's (or Marvel's) offices that are very good but have not been drawn or fully written. When the THING/SHE-HULK one shot came out a few months ago I thought "This was a nice story". It was nothing award winning but a nice entertaining tale. How many other stories like that are sitting around waiting to be published.



peattied
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posted August 15, 2002 11:25 PM

Boy, if that isn't a topic to think about... how many stories there are in the vaults that never got finished for one reason or another. In fact, let me add a few more for y'all to contend with.

1.) In a recent issue of his ALTER EGO magazine, Roy Thomas discusses his find (and subsequent purchase) of a Golden Age Wonder Woman story featuring WW's first battle with a villain called Nuclear, who later made what would have been his second appearance in WONDER WOMAN (1st series) #42. In fact, that story is even called "Nuclear Returns!" and alludes to the earlier story that was never actually published! (And for the record, Roy used Nuclear himself in a two-part ALL-STAR SQUADRON years later.)

2.) Back when Will Payton was the reigning STARMAN, a 46th issue of his title was solicited but never came out. Presumably, this could still be published at some time, since it must have been near completion or it couldn't have been solicited.

3.) A late 1977 issue of THE COMIC READER reported that Len Wein, who was writing the BATMAN book at the time, had stories in the works that would have featured the Terrible Trio and Tweedledum and Tweedledee. Neither story ever saw the light of day. Wein himself told me later at a con that he still has the plots in his files for them both, and numerous other long-gone villain comebacks besides.

4.) Another issue of THE COMIC READER reported a Wein-authored story in the works that would team Superman with Brother Power, the Geek in DC COMICS PRESENTS, while Robert Loren Fleming was supposed to be working on an issue of DCCP that would team Superman with his Thriller characters. Neither of those ever came to pass.

5.) During the time in the 1970's when the WONDER WOMAN book, and her companion series in WORLD'S FINEST, were set in World War II like the Lynda Carter TV show, Gerry Conway had a plotline in the works where Golden Age villainess Dr. Poison was to have returned. There is even reference to it in WONDER WOMAN (first series) #'s 237-38. Sometime later, Conway's replacement, Jack C. Harris, made mention of a pending story where Wonder Woman would meet the Blackhawks.

Later still, when the TV show and the comics had gone back to present-day setting, Harris promised that a story where Wonder Woman met Isis was in the works. (DC had the rights to do ISIS comics in those days.) Again, none of these ever showed up.

6.) In the mid-1970's, when the Joker had his own book, Marty Pasko was supposed to have done a three-part story for #'s 10-12 where the Joker took on the entire JLA. The book was cancelled with #9, and apparently, the story was never finished or drawn.

And those are just ones where word of them has leaked out in the fan press. Imagine how much more there has to be that we've never even heard about!



Xanadude
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posted August 16, 2002 02:19 PM

Not really a squelched story, but in the DC PREVIEW #2, the JL Detroit were featured for the first time, and Vixen was wearing a mask, which, when the stories were published, was gone.

And Conway has stated that Vixen was to be added to the JLA in the satellite days, but the team eventually morphed into JL Detroit.



rufusTfirefly
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posted August 16, 2002 10:19 PM

To see Jack Kirby's version of Captain Marvel, check out the SHAZAM ARCHIVES Vol. 2... Very young Jack Kirby...

I think Rob Liefeld either recently sold the JLA/AVENGERS art, or was shopping it around... Maybe the guy's got money problems... I remember Steve Englehart also being slated to take over Daredevil in the mid-eighties, right after Frank Miller's second run. He was gonna move Matt Murdock out to San Francisco and have him join Englehart's West Coast Avengers line-up (WTF??!?!?!?!?!?!?)...



Kamandi2
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posted August 16, 2002 10:19 PM

After the DC Implosion, Kamandi was supposed to be the back-up feature in WARLORD. It was announced as coming soon on the letters page of issue #46 or #47. It was shelved for some unknown reason.



Kindred
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posted August 17, 2002 01:01 AM

Originally posted by mmkk:


Remember FIVE STAR SUPER-HERO SPECTACULAR, the one shot that came out in 1977? I remember reading that a follow up was supposed to happen but never did. I also remember reading somewhere that there was supposed to be a new Dollar comic back then called DC SUPER HERO SPECTACULAR (something along those lines) that was supposed to have been an anthology book. It never happened though.

There was a book called FOUR STAR SPECTACULAR. I have a couple of issues. It was an anthology and featured Wonder Woman and Superman among others.

casselmm47
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posted August 18, 2002 04:24 PM

Originally posted by Kindred:


There was a book called FOUR STAR SPECTACULAR. I have a couple of issues. It was an anthology and featured Wonder Woman and Superman among others.

That series predated the FIVE STAR one shot from '77. FOUR STAR ran from March/April 1976 to January/February 1977, 6 issues total.

The FIVE STAR revival I think they were alluding to was from a centerspread ad that ran in mid-1979 that also advertised the JONAH HEX DIGEST, TIME WARP, the WORLD OF KRYPTON mini, the SECRET ORIGINS DIGEST, and ALL-OUT WAR.



Dr. Midnight 32
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posted August 28, 2002 03:56 AM

Does anyone else remember hearing something about a continuation of the Tangent line?

Alter Ego occasionally spotlights a never told Golden Age JSA tale, “The Will of William Wilson”.



datalore
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posted August 28, 2002 09:09 AM

Originally posted by Xanadude:


Not really a squelched story, but in the DC PREVIEW #2, the JL Detroit were featured for the first time, and Vixen has wearing a mask, which, when the stories were published, was gone.
And Conway has stated that Vixen was to be added to the JLA in the satellite days, but the team eventually morphed in to JL Detroit.


Vixen was also originally slated to join the JLA in #217 or thereabouts, WITHOUT the dissolution of the original team (right after the "Atom microverse" story...) Never happened...

As for that JOKER #10-12, rumor had it that #10 was either completed or at least in rough stages, and featured the Joker vs. the Justice League (And that at least that first issue COULD have been finished and put in the Joker's greatest stories, but instead, we got the Creeper tale...)

I also remember hearing that, at one time, FIRESTORM was supposed to go on past #100... sort of following the adventures of BOTH Ronnie and the Professor (we get HINTS of a slight bit in 'War of the Gods'... but NOT much...)



mdm2995
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posted August 28, 2002 09:22 AM

FOUR-STAR SPECTACULAR was a reprint giant that ran from 1976 to 1977 and featured Superboy and Wonder Woman. FIVE-STAR SUPER-HERO SPECTACULAR was a one-shot, all-new anthology in the summer of 1977. In mid-1979, DC was planning to switch WORLD’S FINEST from dollar-sized to regular-sized, and was moving its jettisoned features to a new FIVE-STAR SUPER-HERO SPECTACULAR dollar comic (later called DC SUPER-HERO SPECTACULAR). At the last minute, they checked WF's sales figures and changed their minds, leaving it as it was and cancelling DCSHS.



Michael Bise
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posted August 28, 2002 11:21 AM

I LOVED the Dollar Comic-era of WORLD'S FINEST! Especially the Rich Buckler Superman/Batman stories.

Wasn't the NEW GODS tale from the cancelled series? Gotta love that Don Newton art!!!!



casselmm47
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posted August 28, 2002 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Michael Bise:


I LOVED the Dollar Comic-era of WORLD'S FINEST! Especially the Rich Buckler Superman/Batman stories.
Wasn't the NEW GODS tale from the cancelled series? Gotta love that Don Newton art!!!


What would have been RETURN OF THE NEW GODS #20 was cut into two and ran in ADVENTURE COMICS # 459 and 460, the first Dollar issues of that title.

I'd totally forgotten how they were going to 'down-size' WFC back in '79 to make way for the FIVE-STAR title. IIRC, that occurred the month that the ads started to creep back into the Dollar Comics (after a year of no ads, wraparound covers, and lettercolumns on the inside back/front cover). Good jog to the memory!



Xanadude
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posted August 30, 2002 09:12 PM

Art Theibert has a NIGHTWING mini-series that was supposed to come out at the time of the expansion of the "Titans Universe" (TITANS WEST, HYBRID, and a bunch of minis - the only thing that came out was TEAM TITANS).

Anyways, Starfire would be getting a new costume, and, its a good thing too, since she was supposed to spend most the mini in a coma - Nightwing would be tracking down her attempted murderer.

Again, seriously glad this one didn't appear - I for one am so friggin sick of stories that motivate the hero by crippling the heroine. I reached the breaking point after LONGBOW HUNTER....



mmkk
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posted August 31, 2002 08:51 PM

There was supposed to be a SECRET ORIGINS ANNUAL that was supposed to have both the post-Crisis origins of the JLA and the JSA. Well, those stories did appear in SECRET ORIGINS #31 and 32.

However, there was also supposed to be a short story that would have revealed what JLA/JSA team ups were still a part of post-Crisis continuity. I always wanted to know what ones "made the cut" and what ones did not. Perhaps this Fall’s JLA/JSA SECRET FILES will reveal that.



Kindred
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posted September 01, 2002 01:34 AM

Wasn't there supposed to be a third WILDCAT/BAT FAMILY team up mini??



Dr. Midnight 32
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posted September 01, 2002 09:55 AM

Kindred, as far as I know, that third WILDCAT mini was to team him up with Captain Marvel. I remember that from the one page preview in the DCU HEROES SF&O, where'd you get your info?



mmkk
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posted September 02, 2002 08:49 PM

I do remember reading somewhere that there was supposed to be a WILDCAT/NIGHTWING mini series after the CATWOMAN was was done.



Xanadude
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posted September 10, 2002 04:10 PM

We talked about CRISIS ON CAPTIVE EARTH, which morphed into LEGENDS, already, but in rereading some AH Preview issues, it said that Catwoman would be playing a rather large role in the series -- when LEGENDS finally came out, no Catwoman! Also, in the ads for LEGENDS, Wonder Woman was wearing her pre-Crisis styled tiara...... petty stuff, but still, fun to notice the differences...



mr.siffer
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posted September 11, 2002 09:47 AM

Wasn't THE BLASTERS supposedly going to have another special? I remember reading about it in the first BLASTERS SPECIAL's text page.



Guy Gardner, Warrior
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posted September 11, 2002 09:11 PM

Beau Smith, writer of our favorite Vuldarian's series, had planned to propose two GUY GARDNER: WARRIOR related series --

A BUCK WARGO AND THE MONSTER HUNTERS mini-series.

A series with Guy called WARRIORS: IMMORTAL.

A series where Guy becomes a secret government agent and battles terrorism (really!) Didn't happen 'cause DC thought it would be a touchy subject due to 9/11.



Kindred
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posted September 11, 2002 09:44 PM

Originally posted by mmkk:


I do remember reading somewhere that there was supposed to be a WILDCAT/NIGHTWING mini series after the CATWOMAN was was done.

This is what I had heard too but to be honest I don't recall where I read it. I wanna say it was in the last issue of the WILDCAT/CATWOMAN mini but don't quote me on that, I'd have to dig it out and reread to be sure.



Dave Winston
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posted September 12, 2002 12:00 PM

...and let's not forget the ORIGINAL story proposed by Gerry Jones for GREEN LANTERN #50 - EMERALD TWILIGHT. Here's the link with more info (I wish the script was still there):

Green Lantern #48-50 - What Might Have Been! http://www.glcorps.org/gl48-50.html

Doctor Midnight
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posted September 12, 2002 12:33 PM

How come no one mentioned BLUE & GOLD. That was in the works for ages but nothing was ever done.



Dave the Wonder Boy
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posted September 16, 2002 10:34 AM

In an 11" X 14" size treasury book titled MASTERWORKS: JACK KIRBY (formatted much like recent issues of THE JACK KIRBY COLLECTOR) it has a brief biography of Kirby by Mark Evanier, and many rejected covers for JIMMY OLSEN and other Kirby DC titles.

Among the covers is one that is described as having been done for a proposed treasury edition, ARMAGETTO: THE FINAL BATTLE, and has profiles of Orion and Darkseid facing off on the cover. It's from 1974 or so.

I would have loved to see that book done in the early 70's, a really satisfying conclusion to the Fourth World series. As opposed to the lesser version that saw print 12 years later, in THE HUNGER DOGS graphic novel. An abomination that I choose to pretend never happened.



mdm2995
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posted September 17, 2002 04:54 PM

Len Wein's character The Image was mentioned all over the place back in 1984; I have a copy of the giveaway DC SAMPLER #3 which has (what I thought to be) the only published appearance of the oft-mentioned character. There is, I think, another appearance in Amazing Heroes #39, if anyone else remembers that far back. Not a series, per se, but the guy was sure talked about a lot.



Xanadude
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posted September 17, 2002 05:43 PM

Speaking of Kirby, what's the deal with character of Jezebelle? Ive only seen her in the Dollar Size ADVENTURE COMICS - did she appear in the original Kirby run of the NEW GODS and did she appear afterwards? Was she a Female Fury? Was she Cyclops in drag?



peattied
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posted September 17, 2002 06:29 PM

No, Jezebelle... she of the Fiery Eyes... was not one of Kirby's creations. She was added to the New Gods mythos by Gerry Conway, and once that final story was published in ADVENTURE COMICS #460, she disappeared from view and has not been seen since.

I personally find this irritating. Other guys who've written the NEW GODS since then have inserted new characters of their own into the New Genesis pantheon, but for some reason, Conway's potentially intriguing contribution gets short shrift. Anyone else think this is grossly unfair?



Xanadude
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posted October 05, 2002 11:58 AM

Gather round, kidddies - I got some more old Amazing Heroes and have some more "might have beens":

Back when Superman was rebooted, it was established that he was the only survivor of Krypton and that no secondary characters would be revived (Supergirl, Superboy, Krypto, etc). So, of course, we, the readers, were a little shocked to open up an comic and see some people discovering a girl in a Supergirl costume buried in the ice..... we eventually learned she was Matrix, from the Time Trapper's pocket universe (I HATE HATE HATE HATE this origin, by the way)

Anyways.... originally, she wasn't supposed to be from another universe. She was from ours. And she was someone we all know.

In an interview, Marv Wolfman and Jerry Ordway revealed that the girl in the Supergirl suit was SUPPOSED to be POWER GIRL. PG would have been amnesiac, found by these unscrupulous people who discover her powers, and paraded in a circus as "Supergirl". The idea was quashed because the POWER GIRL mini was due out and would have conflicted with all the wonderful (barf barf) developments it contained.

Second Big Shocker: DC Hero saved from death at the last minute!

Ever wonder why Nuklon was guest starring in THE WEIRD with the JLA? Wasn't originally supposed to be him.... Jim Starlin said in an interview that he originally wanted Captain Marvel, but since DC at the time was still leasing the character, it would cost too much to use him.... so, Starlin wanted to use Geo-Force. However, GF was supposed to have died, along with the rest of the Outsiders (except Katanna and Black Lightning), at the end of MILLENNIUM. So, he used Nuklon.

Geo-Force dies???? In the Outsiders entry in that preview issue, it mentions that the team would be destroyed, but to expect them back in their own New Format series next year. The new series never occurred, and the only people who died in OUTSIDERS were Metamorpho (it didn't take). Halo was thrown in a coma (but got better).



Michael Bise
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posted October 05, 2002 12:28 PM

Fake Supergirl was supposed to be Power Girl?????

INTERESTING!!!!!!!!



Xanadude
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posted October 05, 2002 03:16 PM

Yeah, Id rather have had PG connected to the Superman mythos again, rather than the awful, awful Matrix --- a character salvaged only after Peter David took her over.

Speaking of Supergirl, remember the aborted attempt at a revamp right before PAD took over? Supergirl moves to New Orleans and gets a new mentor in Liz Perske, one of Luthor's ex-wives...... I wonder where that would have led...



Xanadude
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posted October 06, 2002 01:41 AM

And, as an excuse to bump this thread, when the Justice League was rebooted (as Justice League International), the Creeper was supposed to be a regular member, not just one time fighting the Grey Man........

and, out of curiosity, and since, on principal I don't and won't buy Wizard, what’s up with the Superman story from the 40's that had him revealing his ID to Lois????

People, let's keep this thread a'goin'..........



Dr. Midnight 32
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posted October 06, 2002 06:41 PM

Can't remember if this is already in this thread or not, but I recently read an old interview with Gardner Fox where he said that in the Golden Age, Hawkman almost moved out of FLASH COMICS and headlined his own book.



Xanadude
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posted October 06, 2002 09:11 PM

File this under "Subplots Never Folowed Up":

In the first issue of Supergirl's first series (in the early 70s), Linda Danvers went back to college (again) to pursue an acting degree and moved in with the prerequisite stereotypical female roommates (one black, one Asian, one white -- it seemed as if every female character of the time had ONE and only one friend of every race - characterization for these characters were nil).

The white roommate's name was Wanda Five, and she had some undefined psychic powers. At the end of the story, Supergirl comments that she would have to discover the mystery of Wanda Five. In the next nine issues of her book, Supergirl had time to whine about not getting dates, turn people to stone, become an Amazonian princess, meet a male clone, and rescue the Prez, but never even THINK about Wanda Five again. She was never mentioned again.



Firestorm #1
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posted October 08, 2002 01:39 PM

Now would be a perfect time to resurrect the CAPTAIN ATOM series.



Dr. Midnight 32
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posted October 09, 2002 02:45 AM

I FINALLY got my copy of Wizard in the mail today, and in the arcticle about the Loeb/Lee run on BATMAN, it mentions that Loeb was going to write a WONDER WOMAN mini. Would it be something in the vein of LONG HALLOWEEN or SUPERMAN FOR ALL SEASONS? Well, it doesn't say. If that is true, then I hope he gets back to it sometime.



Food Eater Lad
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posted October 09, 2002 03:24 AM

What happened to the Marvel series Witches? It was supposed to be a Charlie's Angels type thing with Marvel's spellcasting females and Dr. Strange as Bosley. Whats the deal with that?



r3x29yz4a
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posted October 09, 2002 07:01 AM

I recently got a copy of BIRDS OF PREY: BATGIRL. The ending had Blockbuster vowing to get Oracle. The letters page had an ad for the upcoming BIRDS OF PREY: SIEGE. This was scrapped and the BIRDS OF PREY regular series started. Eventually the SIEGE storyline was re-worked into the ‘Hunt for Oracle’ storyline.



Xanadude
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posted October 12, 2002 08:15 PM

Same note, different song:

In a GREEN LANTERN SECRET FILES, Jade discovers she has the plant powers of her bio-mother, Thorn.......

Yet, she never used them, or mentioned them, again.......



Salchow30
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posted October 12, 2002 09:31 PM

After Huntress was evicted from WONDER WOMAN's pages in the summer of 1984, there was a promised mini-series by Joey Cavalieri (who was no Paul Levitz) and the ever-under-appreciated Eduardo Barreto.

I remember seeing some advance art for a Giffen CREEPER mini in late 83, after he had been a back-up in FLASH...... but this predated JLI by quite a bit.

When the short-lived (but enjoyable) JSA series debuted in 1992, there was an in-house ad showing that Liberty Belle was to have been on the team, alongside Johnny Quick. I kind of suspected that it was not to have been Libby Lawrence, but rather Jesse would have taken over the Liberty Belle mantle, rather than being a speedster.

Also that summer, in a NEW TITANS in-house ad, Donna Troy was shown with a new costume, a variation of her Troia get-up. I think after the events of "Total Chaos", she was to have been more powerful, but less "human", more godlike and aloof. I could be totally wrong about that part though. But originally, the intention was NOT to depower her, as eventually happened.

And way back in 83, after Infinity Inc. guest-starred in ALL-STAR SQUADRON, there was a house ad advertising their book with a character called "La Garro" I think...... she had a gold/yellow costume, rode a motorcycle...... I think she eventually was developed into the Yolanda Montez Wildcat in Crisis.



Spangles
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posted October 14, 2002 08:57 PM

Re: Witches, Satana, and other more 'adult' comics that sounded good; Comics Buyer's Guide recently did a ‘Whatever Happened To’ kind of feature that noted they were not happening, but I don't recall reasons.

I am wondering about two items:

A Haney/Cardy TEEN TITANS Elseworlds one-shot with Jack Kennedy was announced some time back... did this get on the schedule yet? (slobber!)

Also equally salivatory-worthy, the hinted at Colleen Doran LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES project. LONNNNNG rumored, she had mentioned back in like 1997/1998 in the lettercol to A Distant Soil that she had a greenlight to do it (writing, pencilling, and inking! Woo-Hoo!) Any idea what happened there?

Thanks!



Morgan the Raider
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posted October 14, 2002 09:16 PM

Originally posted by Xanadude:


Same note, different song:
In a GREEN LANTERN SECRET FILES, Jade discovers she has the plant powers of her bio-mother, Thorn.......
Yet, she never used them, or mentioned them, again.......


I think this never was developed because Ron Marz soon left the book. Along with where the whole Aaron Rayner thing was going.



Xanadude
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posted October 14, 2002 10:57 PM

Again, from an Amazing Heroes preview book:

The original Vigilante (the Marv Wolfman version) was apparently not going to die in his last issue, but WAS going to be mortally wounded. He was to be brought back in a four issue limited series, but be more "gritty, urban, and street wise".

Right before Byrne left the SUPERMAN books, plans were afoot to strip Lex Luthor of his wealth. Instead, Byrne left and Lex died, only to be reborn in his cloned body and pose as his son.



Xanadude
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posted November 26, 2002 05:56 PM

Bunches and bunches from Titanstower.com:

Here's the link, so they get credit:
http://titanstower.com/source/index/00indexinfoindex.html

Click on "Cutting Room Floor"

Good stuff!



Guy Gardner, Warrior
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posted November 26, 2002 06:15 PM

I wonder if there is some secret file or basement at the DC Comics building where they have ideas that never made it to print.

BTW, does anyone know any series that were going to be launched if the introducing mini-series was a hit? For example, if BLOOD PACK had been a hit, would we have had a BLOOD PACK ongoing?



Sinstarter
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posted November 26, 2002 07:33 PM

The SHADOW series from DC was supposed to have an issue 20 but didn't. Then it was supposed to have a SPECIAL to end the story line but never came out. So the series ended on a cliffhanger.



peattied
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posted November 26, 2002 08:28 PM

Originally posted by Guy Gardner, Warrior:


I wonder if there is some secret file or basement at the DC Comics building where they have ideas that never made it to print.

I believe there must be. Since those ideas use DC characters, they have to retain the copyright on them, so they have to at least have copies of the material on file somewhere.

Originally posted by Guy Gardner, Warrior:


BTW, does anyone know any series that were going to be launched if the introducing mini-series was a hit? For example, if BLOOD PACK had been a hit, would we have had a BLOOD PACK ongoing?

I think that's essentially true for just about every mini-series, other than crossovers, Elseworlds, and special deals for characters who already have their own ongoing titles. Just about any mini-series you can name for a character not appearing solo anywhere else is considered a test run.



dnewton
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posted January 04, 2003 06:10 AM

Re - the WONDER GIRL mini-series:
I believe it was mentioned in one of the Wizard JLA specials.



Xanadude
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posted January 04, 2003 05:09 PM

File this one under bad ideas from Roy Thomas, or, the Shazam Volume 2 Awards:

According to a Amazing Heroes preview issue, Roy originally wanted to bring in a teenage Black Canary to the All-Star Squadron. He went on to elaborate that he knows BC did not debut until the late 40s, so he was toying with the idea of giving the teenage Dinah the identity of the Bluebird or the Hummingbird prior to her Black Canary ID.

Thank god this one was stillborn.



LegionMaximus
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posted January 04, 2003 06:27 PM

Add me to the list of people disgruntled that the BLUE & GOLD monthly book never came to pass . . .

Great thread, BTW! So much we almost had . . .



Food Eater Lad
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posted January 04, 2003 06:39 PM

Still mad at the Watchmen toys that never came. Alan Moore is only punishing the fans, not DC.



BearPaws
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posted January 04, 2003 09:51 PM

I love this thread - how did I miss it last summer?

Someone please help me feel sane for a moment. Am I the only one who remembers house ads for John Byrne's SUPERMAN -- it was going to be a bi-weekly book, with odd and even issues inked by different people? This was supposed to happen with #19 (?) except that Byrne left the series only moments before.



mmkk
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posted January 04, 2003 10:01 PM

Byrne had some dissagreements with DC which led him to leave the book with #22. I would have liked him to continue but I do think the books went on just fine without him. (I still wish that DC would have let him use Power Girl as Superman's post Crisis cousin. With all of the technology having survived Krypton would one more survivor have hurt.)



Zcars
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posted January 04, 2003 10:26 PM

THE SILVER AGE by James Robinson and Howard Chaykin.

Now THAT would have been something.



Guy Gardner, Warrior
Member
posted January 06, 2003 05:06 PM

On one of those "DC Universe" pages DC used to put in their comics back in the '90's, there was a space that talked about how talks were underway for "Titans, Flash, and Ragman games". That would've been neat, to play "The New Titans" or "Ragman" on your Super Nintendo, eh?



Peter Svensson
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posted January 06, 2003 09:08 PM

Originally posted by mmkk:


Byrne had some dissagreements with DC which led him to leave the book with #22. I would have liked him to continue but I do think the books went on just fine without him. (I still wish that DC would have let him use Power Girl as Superman's post Crisis cousin. With all of the technology having survived Krypton would one more survivor have hurt.)

Byrne wasn't going to use Power Girl, Ordway was. I asked Byrne about Power Girl and she never even occurred to him.



Michael Bise
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posted January 07, 2003 12:25 AM

Originally posted by Xanadude:


File this one under bad ideas from Roy Thomas, or, the Shazam Volume 2 Awards:
According to a Amazing Heroes preview issue, Roy originally wanted to bring in a teenage Black Canary to the All-Star Squadron. He went on to elaborate that he knows BC did not debut until the late 40s, so he was toying with the idea of giving the teenage Dinah the identity of the Bluebird or the Hummingbird prior to her Black Canary ID.
Thank god this one was stillborn.


UGH!!!!!!!! That would have been horrible!!!!!!!!

A teen-aged Black Canary.... that would have completely ruined her origin...



Hack
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posted January 09, 2003 05:24 PM

Originally posted by Salchow30:


I remember seeing some advance art for a Giffen CREEPER mini in late 83, after he had been a back-up in FLASH...... but this predated JLI quite a bit.

Just today I "stumbled" across this out-of-place backup in 1983'S FLASH #323. At the very end, a caption states, "The Creeper will return -- as a DC maxi-series by Keith Giffen!"



Mikel Midnight
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posted January 11, 2003 10:42 AM

Back when Alan Moore was writing half of Warrior magazine (and Steve Moore the other half), the publisher announced 40-page specials with all new material featuring Marvelman, V for Vendetta, and Axel Pressbutton.



Old Dude
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posted January 11, 2003 06:36 PM

When I was 9 years old, I read a story in WORLD’S FINEST where Superman meets Skyboy, a youth from outer space with super-powers who became Superman's partner, as Robin was Batman's.

In the last panel, Skyboy heads back for home, but promises to return someday.

That was 45 years ago, and I'm STILL waiting!



Superjames
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posted January 11, 2003 10:42 PM

SECRET ORIGINS had a ton of unprinted stories when it was canceled. I believe one was a Dinosaur Island story by James Robinson.



MrMGL
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posted January 12, 2003 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Old Dude:


When I was 9 years old, I read a story in WORLD’S FINEST where Superman meets Skyboy, a youth from outer space with super-powers who became Superman's partner, as Robin was Batman's.
In the last panel, Skyboy heads back for home, but promises to return someday.
That was 45 years ago, and I'm STILL waiting!


This Skyboy kid DID reappear in an issue of one of the SUPERMAN books by Dan Jurgens a few years back. I forget what exactly happened in the issue, but I think there were some other guest stars like Superboy, Steel, and Eradicator. I think Skyboy turned out to be a creation of Brainiac or somebody. Anybody remember??



Amentep
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posted January 14, 2003 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Sinstarter:


The SHADOW series from DC was supposed to have an issue 20 but didn't. Then it was supposed to have a special to end the story line but never came out. So the series ended on a cliffhanger.

Is this the 70s SHADOW series, or the 80s SHADOW series that got canned when Conde Nast realized what they'd been doing to their character and forced them to start telling traditional Shadow stories? [I'm guessing 80s, but it never hurts to ask. ]



peattied
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posted January 15, 2003 01:58 PM

You're right... it was the 1980's SHADOW series by Andy Helfer that Conde Nast pulled the plug on. And since they still own the character, and weren't happy with what Helfer was doing, the odds of us ever seeing the end to that storyline are about the same as seeing Roseanne grace the centerfold of PLAYBOY.



Amentep
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posted January 15, 2003 02:14 PM

Originally posted by peattied:


You're right... it was the 1980's SHADOW series by Andy Helfer that Conde Nast pulled the plug on. And since they still own the character, and weren't happy with what Helfer was doing, the odds of us ever seeing the end to that storyline are about the same as seeing Roseanne grace the centerfold of PLAYBOY.

Heh, more than likely... but Conde Nast IIRC is now owned by "Advance Magazine Publishers", so I suppose as the rights move along anything is possible...



peattied
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posted January 15, 2003 07:16 PM

Well, if that helps get more Shadow or other Conde Nast-owned properties back into print, that's a good thing, methinks. Though I'm less interested in seeing the conclusion to that 20-year old SHADOW story than I am in seeing Will Murray's DOC SAVAGE novels start up again. Who's with me on that?



Amentep
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posted January 15, 2003 07:54 PM

Originally posted by peattied:


Well, if that helps get more Shadow or other Conde Nast-owned properties back into print, that's a good thing, methinks. Though I'm less interested in seeing the conclusion to that 20-year old SHADOW story than I am in seeing Will Murray's DOC SAVAGE novels start up again. Who's with me on that?

I am! I was always a bigger Doc fan than a Shadow fan anyhow.

Er, not trying to hijack this thread entirely though here

Lets see, it's not DC but Marvel never completed their Mandrake, the Magician series... um... Vertigo had mentioned a sequel to NEVADA that never happened, IIRC...



Koppy McFad
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posted January 18, 2003 02:25 AM

A few months ago, I was reading about a TEEN TITANS special by the old team of Bob Haney and Nick Cardy. It would have been set in the 60s with the Titans still spouting their old slang, like "Twinkletoes" and "Wonderchick".

It was getting some buzz and then suddenly, all references to it disappeared.

What happened to that?



Frankenstein
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posted January 19, 2003 04:34 AM

Someone mentioned Pat Broderick earlier....

One of the weirdest things I can remember is that the artist was supposed to pencil an on-going monthly based on the "Lethal Weapon" film franchise that was mentioned in a DC editorial I remember reading sometime circa 1989....



Frankenstein
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posted January 19, 2003 04:44 AM

Or... what about in the days between the publication of Ordway's wonderful POWER OF SHAZAM! hardcover and the on-going series when it was announced that Mike Weiringo was gonna be pencilling the monthly?

Howza about the Kirby Fourth World BIG BARDA series that never came about?

Or... the Vertigo JSA series that Matt Wagner and James Robinson was hinting around at doing, featuring a "realistic" take on the Justice Society's early days, ala Wagner's SANDMAN MYSTERY THEATRE?



snaketales
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posted January 20, 2003 08:06 AM

Not so much a series, but.... an issue of FIRESTORM during "The Elemental War" - I think around #90 - had reference made to T.O. Morrow's son being involved in Red Tornado's creation. A footnote said see SECRET ORIGINS #49. So I ordered a copy of that issue and it had the origins of Bouncing Boy, Newsboy Legion, and Silent Knight - A grade heroes all. And then SECRET ORIGINS was cancelled. And I have since never seen reference to T.O. Morrow having a son, or his involvement in Reddy's creation.



Xanadude
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posted January 20, 2003 02:42 PM

Business oriented question:

Does DC still own the rights to characters that were announced but never planned, such as The Image, Pandora Pan, the Redeemer, etc?

I mean, the whole reason CANCELLED COMIC CAVALCADE was printed was to secure the copyright on the characters and stories (The Vixen and the Deserter are still owned by DC, even though the Vixen only appeared later in a totally different form and the Deserter never appeared at all). So, if DC buys or initiates a concept for a series and the series never materializess, do they still own the character/stories? Or is there a finite amound of time they own the charcter/stories?



KryptoSuperDog
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posted January 20, 2003 03:17 PM

Yes, so many terrific titles and concepts that never saw the light of day.

Oh well...at least 2002 gave us such endearing classics as LAB RATS and BIG DADDY DANGER...



scarab
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posted January 20, 2003 04:16 PM

DC's DOC SAVAGE mini was completely retooled between the time house ads appeared and the mini was published. They were originally going with some sort of concept where Doc would be a Native American. In the ads, "Doc" has his back to us with a dark haired pony tail. WTF?

The mini told the story of how Doc traveled through time to team up with his grandson and the aged five. As a longtime Doc fan all I can say is ... Ugh. Bad.

There was a new Titan that appeared on a gaming or trading card back in the early 90's, but never appeared in the book. The character's name escapes me at the moment. Anyone?



Sinstarter
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posted January 28, 2003 08:39 PM

There was a SPACE RANGER series in the 90's from DC that never came out. It was supposed to be the origin of the character. It was to be 8 issues.



frulad
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posted January 29, 2003 08:39 PM

Congratulations everyone!

After a month of lurking, I've finally broken down and registered cuz I just want to contribute to this thread.

Anyway, here goes-

I seem to recall an article around the time THE FLASH TV series got cancelled where someone (Chaykin?) stated that if they had been renewed the season would have opened with the three Rouges seen so far (Hammill's Trickster, David Cassidy's Mirror Master and Captain Cold) would have staged a prison break and gone after the Flash and that they were also toying with the idea of a Gorilla Grodd episode.

I seem to remember that there had been word of a sequel mini-series to Loeb & Sales' CHALLENGERS OF THE UNKNOWN mini-series.

I've also got a friend whose still waiting for them to wrap up SONIC DISRUPTORS...



Xanadude
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posted March 17, 2003 09:18 PM

Has Byrne ever discussed FREAKS? What it was and why it never happened?



Morgan the Raider
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posted March 17, 2003 10:04 PM

Now give Rob Liefied a break, he nevers misses deadlines! Oh wait, that's Kevin Smith. Marvel should put the two of them on the new Uncanny X-Men relaunch that must be due any day now. They should be able to get one issue out before X5 comes out.

Frulad, the Flash TV series is long missed. I have every episode on tape, and can only long for what the show would have become.



Dr. Midnight 32
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posted March 20, 2003 11:09 PM

I just found out the other day that Christopher Priest pitched to DC a FREEDOM FIGHTERS series in '91 that would have starred The Ray, Black Condor, Phantom Lady, the Hawks, the Will Payton Starman, and Arion the Immortal to be led by the forgotten GL villain Lord Malvolio. Now that would have been interesting.



the ?
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posted March 21, 2003 08:10 AM

Very.

I, for one, never thought Helfer and Baker intended to publish another issue of THE SHADOW. It always seemed to me that they figured "What the heck, they're taking it away from us, let's REALLY have some fun."

Robo-Shadow is sublime when it's a one-shot deal, but would have been awful on any kind of ongoing basis.



Peter Svensson
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posted March 21, 2003 11:11 AM

John Byrne said that most of the plot to FREAKS ended up being slightly altered and used in his other creator-owned series.




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